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Law and Disorder March 25, 2013


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New York City Stop and Frisk Trial Begins

Here on Law and Disorder, we’ve been covering the stop and frisk case known as Floyd v City of New York and the New York Police Department. This is a federal class action lawsuit challenging New York City Police Departments’ practice of stopping and frisking hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers each year. Some five million within the last few years. The high majority of which are Latino and African American. It’s taken the Center for Constitutional Rights along with its allies united with a group called Communities United for Police Reform many years to bring this case to trial.  It’s an historic moment for challenging these practices in New York and a precedent that will hopefully lead to ending this practice, not only here in New York but throughout the country.  The trial began last week in federal court in Manhattan. It will last some 4 to 6 weeks.

Annette Dickerson:

  • In order to be legal the stops need to be based on reasonable suspicion of criminal activity and we’re challenging the city’s use of these illegal stops.
  • They violate the 14 Amendment guarantee of equal protection because they are racially discriminatory.
  • 87 percent of those stopped are black and Latino.
  • The NYPD commissioner seemed to have dug in his heels deeper, as has the mayor in defending the program.
  • There is no empirical data that “stop and frisk” has a role in reducing crime.
  • It severely damages relationships between the police and the community.
  • This is an historic moment in the lifelong struggle of members of the community and organizations like CCR. Our first case against the police department was Daniels which was filed in 1999 in the aftermath of the shooting of Amadou Diallo.
  • David Floyd was actually helping someone who was locked out of their apartment, he had an extra set of keys.
  • In 2011 685 thousand people stopped.
  • There are many other people in the community who are stopped including members of the LGBT community, the immigrant community, people who are homeless, women.
  • There is a presumption of criminality.
  • On the first day of trial, the courtroom was packed, as was the overflow room.

Guest – Annette Warren-Dickerson,  the Director of Education and Outreach at the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR), is responsible for overseeing the development of CCR’s political and public education strategies as a companion to CCR’s litigation. Annette served as the Statewide Coordinator of the New York Campaign for Telephone Justice, which successfully ended the high collect call rates for the families of those incarcerated in New York State prisons.


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Cuban Five Case Update: Free The Cuban Five – Columbia University 2013

Fourteen years ago, the Cuban Five were convicted on conspiracy to commit espionage at some time in the future.  Recently, prominent First Amendment attorney Martin Garbus joined the case of the Cuban Five. He’s help expose how US government paid journalists in Miami who received hundreds and thousands of dollars of payments from the office of Cuba broadcasting. A fact unknown to the defense at the time of the trial. As listeners may know, those paid reporters covered the case in an almost hysterical and prejudicial fashion. This month, Martin Garbus and many others will be discussing the case of the Cuban Five during an event held at Columbia University March 29.

Attorney Martin Garbus:

  • During the time the jury was deliberating, the television media bombarded the Miami area with pictures of the jurors. The judge barred any pictures of the jurors going out because she didn’t want the jurors intimidated by a public awareness of who they were.
  • Because she was concerned pressure would be put on them.
  • Unknown to the judge and defense lawyers at the time, the channels each day repeatedly showed the faces of the jurors, sometimes identifying them so that the entire community knew who they were.
  • And they presented very slanted interpretations of the case.
  • Television misuse: we found it not only for the time the jurors were deliberating but we’ve now traced it throughout the entire trial.
  • Where are now is we’ve submitted our papers and the judge is sitting on it.
  • Radio Marti was made to beam into Havana, it can most anything it wants. What happened hear is that Radio Marti beamed into the entire Miami area. You have a 38 million dollar budget beaming into Miami endless stories. Then you have the US government through Radio Marti and various democracy projects also paying the print media to write propaganda. Each one of these articles are a violation of the law.
  • On March 29, at the Roone Arledge Auditorium, Lerner Hall, Columbia University, 116th Street and Broadway in Manhattan.
  • Martin Garbus, Lead Attorney for the Cuban Five
    Ambassador Rodolfo Reyes, Cuban Ambassador to the United Nations
    Ambassador Julio Escalona, Venezuelan Deputy Ambassador to the United Nations
    Luis Rosa, Puerto Rican independence fighter, political prisoner for 19 years
    Imani Brown, Columbia University Caribbean Students Association

Guest – Attorney Martin Garbus, one of the country’s leading trial lawyers. He has appeared before the United States Supreme Court and the highest state and federal courts in the nation. Time Magazine has named him “legendary . . . one of the best trial lawyers in the country.” He’s also known as the most prominent First Amendment lawyer.

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Racism, Torture, and Impunity in Chicago

Here on Law and Disorder, we continue to follow up on the Chicago torture cases and since the conviction and sentencing of former Chicago Police Commander Jon Burge in 2011, the Chicago criminal courts have become a model in seeking justice for crimes of torture. Last year we discussed with our guest attorney Flint Taylor how the city’s new administration will handle the hundreds of ongoing torture cases of African American men. The question is answered in Flint Taylor’s recently published article in the The Nation titled Racism, Torture and Impunity in Chicago.

In the article, Flint writes “Chicago City Council and Mayor Rahm Emanuel signed off on a settlement for another torture survivor, Michael Tillman, who was exonerated in 2010. It was the perfect chance for the mayor to apologize on behalf of the city to the African-American community that helped elect him. He chose not to do so. Instead, picking up where the Daley administration left off, the mayor has continued to fund Burge’s defense, paying private lawyers a total of $3.8 million to date in the Cannon and Kitchen cases alone.”

Attorney Flint Taylor:

  • In the civil rights cases we are seeking the testimony of Richard Daley, the former mayor and former states attorney to question him in detail of his long standing and central role of the police torture scandal here in Chicago.
  • Evidence was brought directly to Daley through the Chicago Police Superintendent of the torture of a specific man by the use of electric shock, bagging, beating and burning to get a confession.
  • Daley decided not to investigate Jon Burge, not to prosecute Jon Burge and as a result of that over 75 African American men were tortured, gave confessions, many of them went to death row.
  • At this point we’ve tried to negotiate with his lawyers (Daley) they are paid for by the tax payer. We moved in court to compel him to testify.
  • It took a long time, very hard struggle by community groups, lawyers activists and of course the families of the victims themselves.
  • The media (local) is interested when the name Daley comes up.
  • The called the box that they electrocuted them with the “n*****” box.
  • We see the attacks on the genitals again and again.
  • It’s a remarkable racist conspiracy. We’re using the Civil Rights Act that was used during Reconstruction, right after the Civil War, which is called the Anti Klu Klux Klan Act.
  • We’re trying to get a statute passed in Congress to make torture a Federal crime.

Guest – G. Flint Taylor, a graduate of Brown University and Northwestern Law School, is a  founding partner of the People’s Law Office in Chicago, an office which has been dedicated to litigating civil rights, police violence, government misconduct, and death penalty cases for more than 40 years.


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French-led Invasion of Mali, Africa

The Obama Administration has recently stepped up US military deployment within the French led military offensive to force out Islamist rebels in Mali, Africa. The U.S. Reaper drones are helping to provide targeting information for French aerial attacks. Those countries publicly supporting France include Canada, Belgium, Denmark and Germany. Meanwhile, human rights groups call for independent investigations into civilian deaths in Mali.

Ernie Harsch:

  • The stakes are not so much Mali. Some of the insurgent forces, some have local grievances, like the Tuareg in Northern Mali.
  • Others consider themselves Jihadists. They also target, US, French and other European in the region and elsewhere in the world.
  • Whatever happens in Mali, could have wider implications. The situation in Mali is quite serious. There are lots of risks.
  • Mali, Africa is a former French colony and after decolonization the French were active in intervening into the former colonies of Africa.
  • There was a popular upsurge in the 90s, (in Mali) that regime was ousted by a military coup. That leader of the coup quickly transitioned to an elected leader of a civilian government.
  • In Mali in particular you also had a series of rebellions in the North by an ethnic group called the Tuareg.
  • The basic issues never got resolved. You didn’t have development up in the North, you didn’t have autonomy which is what they were pressing for.
  • What happened in 2011, we had the Arab Spring, in like many periods of revolution or popular upsurge, old coercive states may collapse and you have opportunities for popular action but you also have other people who come in because states are fragmented.
  • Some of the fighters that had been with Gaddafi, they were from Mali, and they had been Tuareg.
  • Now its sort of dragging down into a protracted guerrilla phase.
  • To be clear, the French intervention has gotten political backing from the African Union and from the economic community group, the Economic Community of West African States or ECOWAS.
  • The French PR justification has worked fairly well.
  • This is open terrain, this is semi-desert area. With air power and heavy equipment you can push far and very quickly. You can take cities and towns. The Islamists, there’s a few thousand. They’ve pulled back up into the mountains. They know the terrain better than the French actually.
  • The chance of French mounting losses is there.
  • Since 2005, the US has spent 1 billion dollars for counter-terror operations in the region.
  • This isn’t all military by any means. A lot of it has to do with training local African military forces in counter-terrorism operations and coordinate and logistics support.
  • Also, basically propaganda.
  • They do humanitarian actions to curry favor with local populations.
  • This isn’t well known, but the US has air bases all across Africa.
  • Sometimes they’re simply a hangar operated in secret at some African military or civilian air base.
  • They’re (U.S. Government) setting up an airbase in Niger, that’s openly acknowledged.
  • They started out with surveillance drones in Somalia but then they used a few strikes against Islamists leaders there in Somalia.
  • Everything is going to be framed in the language of the war on terror. That’s the justification. That’s a real concern for the US authorities.
  • Also material resource interests. Not so much gold, but Mali does have gold in the northwest.
  • Things that are very vital to the Western dominated global economy.
  • There is a rivalry that’s developed with China, it’s not been terribly direct at the moment.
  • It’s blowback.

Guest – Ernie Harsch, a 40 year journalist who has made numerous trips to Africa. He’s a former editor of the magazine Africa Renewal. He joins us today to discuss the conflicts in Mali and the big picture regarding the seizure of natural resources in Africa.


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